John Webb †

This page attempts to set out the key events of John Webb’s life, with detailed references. See the bottom of the page for automatically generated links to blog posts which refer to this page.

Personal life

Born: Before 31 December 1883 At: Sutton, Surrey
Birth registered: 3rd or 4th quarter 1883 Epsom Registration District
Married: On 18 April 1914 At: St Matthew’s, Surbiton
Marriage registered: 2nd quarter 1914 Kingston Registration District
Married: Jane Eliza Bullen
Died: 28 November 1918
Buried: Benhilton (All Saints) Churchyard On: 4 December 1918
Death registered: 4th quarter 1918 West Ashford Registration District, Kent
Aged: 35

Ringing

Learnt to ring: Benhilton, Surrey? before 1903 Association membership: Surrey Association Elected: 31 March 1902
Peals: At least 15 (at least 2 as conductor)

Work

Occupation (1901): Corn merchant’s assistant
Occupation (1911): Manager and corn merchant
Occupation (Enlistment (1916)): Forage trade

War service

Service: Army Rank: Private Enlisted: 26 October 1916
Corps: Army Service Corps Subunit: Q Motor Transport Company Number: DM2/228893 Date:
Campaign medals: None

Life events

Date Modifier Date Event Description/Notes Sources
On 25 February 1871 Parents’ marriage John Webb (28), a gardener, and Susan Lusher (32) married at St Leonard’s, Streatham on 25 February 1871. His father John Webb had already died, but had been a labourer before his death. Susan’s father, William Lusher, was a shoemaker. Both were living in Balham at the time of their marriage. The marriage was registered in the 1st quarter 1871 in the Wandsworth Registration District. FreeBMD1; FreeBMD2; LondonParish1
On 2 April 1871 Census John Webb (28, born Ledwell, Oxfordshire), jobbing gardener, and Susan Webb (32, born Diss, Norfolk), were living at 6 Albert Terrace, Kate Street, Balham. (Kate Street was built over in the 1970s due to the expansion of Hydeburn School, now Chestnut Grove School). There were four other people in a separate household at the same address. Census1871
On 24 July 1872 Birth of brother William Sharman Webb was born on 24 July 1872 according to the note in the margin for his baptism. He was baptised at St Mary’s, Balham on 27 August 1872. John is recorded as a gardener, and their address as Balham New Town, an area which included Kate Street. FreeBMD3; LondonParish2
Before 25 October 1872 Death of brother William Sharman Webb died aged three months, and was buried at the South Metropolitan Cemetery, Norwood, on 25 October 1872. His address was given as Kate Street, Balham. FreeBMD4; LondonParish3
Before 6 February 1874 Birth of sister Elizabeth Mary Webb, born Balham, registered 1st quarter 1874, Wandsworth Registration District. She was baptised at St Mary’s, Balham, on 6 February 1874: unlike her older brother, there is no marginal note of her actual date of birth. FreeBMD5; LondonParish4; Census1881
Before 30 December 1876 Birth of brother Thomas Sharman Webb, born Balham, registered 4th quarter 1876, Wandsworth Registration District. He was baptised at St Mary’s, Balham, on 14 January 1874: again there is no marginal note of his actual date of birth. FreeBMD6; LondonParish5; Census1881
On 3 April 1881 Census In 1881 the family were at 16 Kate Street Balham. John Webb (39), gardener, and his wife Susan (42), their children Elizabeth Mary (7) and Thomas S Webb (4), both listed as scholars. They were being visited by Sarah Lusher (45), listed as a widow, and born in Diss, Norfolk, she was presumably Susan’s sister-in-law. Also in the household was a lodger, Walter Watts (25) a gardener. John’s birthplace is this time given as Sandford, a slightly larger village adjacent to Ledwell. There were two more people in a separate household at the same address. Census1881
Before 30 December 1883 Birth John Webb, born Sutton, registered either 3rd or 4th quarter 1883, Epsom Registration District – there was a John Webb registered in each quarter that year. No baptismal record has yet been found. This also shows that the family had left Balham by the time of his birth. FreeBMD7; FreeBMD8; Census1891
On 5 April 1891 Census By 1891 the younger John Webb (7), scholar, was living with the family at 2 Elm Grove Cottages, Sutton. His parents, father the elder John Webb (47) was still a gardener, his mother Susan (52); sister, Elizabeth (17) – neither mother nor sister is shown to have any occupation; Thomas (14) was already working as a gardener’s labourer, perhaps alongside his father. Census1891
On 12 February 1893 Touch by brother T S Webb is reported as ringing the third to a 720 of Plain Bob Minor at Benhilton on 12 February 1893, the first report of any member of the Webb family as a ringer. BN1
Before 30 September 1900 Marriage of sister Elizabeth Mary Webb married William Thomas Thurley, the marriage was registered in the 3rd quarter 1900 in the Epsom registration district. FreeBMD9; FreeBMD10; Census1901-2
On 31 March 1901 Census In 1901 the family were now living at 2 Ingleside Villas, Brandon Road, Sutton. The younger John Webb (17) was a corn merchant’s assistant; his parents John Webb (56), a gardener, and Susan (62) were the only other occupants of the house. Elizabeth Mary (27) was living with her husband William Thurley (25), an engine driver on a coal wharf, at 2 East Terrace, Crayford Road, Erith, Kent. Thomas Sharman Webb (24) was living with the Dudley family at 34 Hanby Terrace, Enfield Lock, and working as a gun line keeper at the British Small Arms Factory there. Census1901; Census1901-2; Census1901-3
On 31 March 1902 Elected to Surrey Associaiton At the Surrey Association meeting on Easter Monday, 31 March 1902, at Dorking, John Webb was elected a member of the association BN1
Circa 1903 Appointed tower captain According to the reports of gifts presented by the ringers, and the vicar and churchwardens, prior to his marriage in 1914 Webb had then been tower captain and steeple keeper at Benhilton for 11 years, so he was appointed around 1903. BN2
On 9 December 1903 Peal John Webb rang the fifth to a peal of Grandsire Triples at Carshalton. An Alfred Boxall rang the fourth which may shed some doubt on the identification of Albert Boxall. This is so far the first peal of his to have been identified, but it is not marked as his, though at least one other ringer is shown to be ringing his first peal. BN3
On 24 August 1904 Peal John Webb rang the fourth to a peal of Oxford Bob Triples at Carshalton. Alfred Boxall was on the third. BN4
On 7 February 1906 Peal John Webb conducted a peal of Grandsire Triples at Carshalton from the second, his first peal as conductor. This was also the first peal for the Rayner brothers, Sidney on the treble, George on the third, and Henry (not named on the original roll – his ringing seems to have ended after his marriage soon after) on the fifth. BN5
On 17 June 1907 Peal John Webb rang the third to another peal of Grandsire Triples at Carshalton. BN6
On 19 January 1909 Peal John Webb rang the fifth to another peal of Grandsire Triples at Carshalton. BN7
On 10 February 1909 Peal John Webb rang the fifth to another peal of Oxford Bob Triples at Carshalton. BN8
On 10 November 1909 Peal John Webb rang the second to a peal of Grandsire Triples at Benhilton. Sidney Rayner rang the treble. BN9
On 14 December 1909 Peal John Webb rang the fifth to a peal of Oxford Bob Triples at Benhilton. BN10
On 29 May 1910 Quarter peal John Webb rang the sixth to a quarter peal of Grandsire Triples at Benhilton on 29 May 1910. Sidney Rayner rang the third while George Rayner rang the fifth. BN11
On 9 November 1910 Peal John Webb rang the fourth to a peal of Grandsire Triples at Benhilton on 9 November 1910. Sidney rang the second, his first inside. BN12
On 2 April 1911 Census John Webb jr (27) was living at 2 Ingleside Villas, Brandon Road, Sutton, and working as a manager and corn merchant in a corn merchant’s firm. He was still single and living with his parents: father John Webb sr (71) was still working as a jobbing gardener on his own account; and mother Susan (72). They are shown to have been married for 40 years, and have had 4 children, 3 of whom are still living. Census1911
On 14 May 1911 Touch John Webb rang the fourth for a touch of 1008 changes of Grandsire Triples at Benhilton, rung for Sunday service. Sidney Rayner rang the second. RW1
On 28 May 1911 Touch John Webb rang the sixth for a quarter peal of Grandsire Triples at Benhilton, rung for Sunday service. An H Raynor rang the treble, possibly this is a typo for H Rayner, the brother of Sidney and George Rayner. RW2
On 6 March 1912 Peal John Webb rang the tenor to a peal of Grandsire Triples at Benhilton rung on Sunday 6 March 1912. William H Joiner and Albert Calver, both listed on the original roll as Mitcham ringers rang the fourth and fifth respectively. BN13; RW3
On 17 March 1912 Quarter peal John Webb rang the seventh to a quarter peal of Grandsire Triples at Benhilton rung for the service on Sunday 17 March 1912. Sidney Rayner rang the second. RW4
On 31 March 1912 Quarter peal John Webb rang the fourth to a quarter peal of Plain Bob Major at Benhilton in the evening of Sunday 31 March 1912. Sidney Rayner rang the treble and George the second. The quarter peal marked the 14th wedding anniversary of F Ford, who was ringing the fifth. RW5
On 20 November 1912 Peal John Webb rang the seventh to a peal of Plain Bob Major at Benhilton in the evening of Wednesday 20 November 1912. George Rayner rang the fourth. This was noted as being the quickest peal on the bells. BN14; RW6
On 2 March 1913 Quarter peal John Webb conducted a quarter peal of Grandsire Triples at Benhilton from the seventh, with Sidney Rayner ringing the second and George the tenor. RW7
On 13 April 1913 Quarter peal John Webb again conducted from the seventh, this time for a quarter of Oxford Bob Triples at Benhilton on 13 April 1913. Sidney Rayner rang the second, and George the sixth. RW8
On 31 October 1913 Peal John Webb again conducted from the seventh, this time for a peal of Grandsire Triples at Benhilton on 31 October 1913, for the Vigil of the Festival of All Saints (the parish patronal festival). Albert Boxall rang the treble and Alfred the third. BN15; RW9
On 9 November 1913 Quarter peals John Webb rang the treble to a quarter peal of Grandsire Triples for morning service, and is listed as conductor of a second quarter peal, of Oxford Triples, for evening service, on 9 November 1913 at Benhilton, though he is not named by a bell for the second (it is possible the conductors of the two quarters were mixed up in the report). Sidney Rayner rang the second for the first and the treble to the second. BN16
On 26 November 1913 Peal John Webb rang the tenor to a peal of Double Norwich Court Bob Major on Wednesday 26 November at Benhilton. Also ringing was Benjamin Morris (given as Morriss in the report) listed on the original roll as a Mitcham ringer BN17; RW10
On 7 January 1914 Peal John Webb rang the seventh to a peal of Double Norwich Court Bob Major on Wednesday 7 January at Mitcham . Also ringing were Benjamin Morris (given as Morriss in the report) and Albert Calver, both listed on the original roll as Mitcham ringers, and the peal was rung to mark their birthdays. RW11
On 29 March 1914 Quarter peal John Webb conducted a quarter peal of Grandsire Triples from the fifth for morning service at Benhilton on Sunday 29 March 1914. Sidney Rayner rang the second and George the tenor. BN18
On 3 April 1914 Presentation John Webb was presented with gifts of a set of fire brasses, dogs and stop, and brass curb. The first three items were the gift of the churchwardens and vicar, and the curb on behalf of his fellow ringers. All the gifts were in honour of his forthcoming wedding. It is stated that he had then been tower captain and steeplekeeper for eleven years. BN19; RW12
On 18 April 1914 Marriage John Webb (30) married Jane Eliza Bullen (33) at St Matthew’s, Surbiton on 18 April 1914, the marriage was registered in the 2nd quarter 1914 in the Kingston registration district. John is listed as a corn merchant, Jane has no occupation listed (in the 1911 census she appears to have been working as a cook at Earlywood, Albion Road, Sutton). John was still living at 2 Ingleside Villas, while Eliza was living at 1 Woodside Villas, Dennan Road, Surbiton. John’s father John Webb sr, is listed as a gardener; and Eliza’s, Daniel, a carpenter. FreeBMD11; FreeBMD12; Census1911-2; SurreyParish1
On 24 May 1914 Quarter peal John Webb conducted a quarter peal of Grandsire Triples from the seventh at Benhilton on Sunday 24 May 1914. Sidney Rayner rang the treble. Rung for Empire Day and the birthdays of the wives of John Webb and F Ford (Mr F Ford was ringing the fourth). BN20
On 2 November 1914 Quarter peal John Webb conducted a halfmuffled quarter peal of Grandsire Triples from the fifth at Benhilton on Monday 2 November 1914. George Rayner rang the third. The ringing was dedicated to those who had already been killed in the war. BN21
On 1 December 1914 Peal John Webb rang the sixth to a peal of Grandsire Triples at Benhilton on Tuesday 1 December 1914. George Rayner rang the fifth (though originally listed as Sidney), and J Howard R Freeborn, not listed on the original roll but now known to have served, rang the seventh. RW13; RW14
On 31 October 1915 Quarter peal John Webb rang the fifth to a quarter peal of Stedman Triples at Benhilton on Sunday 31 October 1915. Alfred Winch (listed on the original roll as a Leatherhead ringer) rang the treble, and W H Joiner (Mitcham), rang the third. The intention had been to ring London Surprise Major, but they found they were short of people who knew the method. RW15
On 10 November 1915 Quarter peal John Webb rang the seventh to a quarter peal of London Surprise Major at Mitcham on 10 November 1915. Douglas Walter Drewett (listed on the original roll as a Mitcham ringer) rang the third. This was the first quarter in the method for all ringers except A J Perkins (who rang the second). RW16
On 26 October 1916 Called up On 26 October 1916, John Webb was called up to the Army Service Corps, he had probably completed the basic enlistment formalities some time previously, but the surviving two pages of his service record are badly water damaged. His original enlistment was at Kingston-on-Thames, but on call up he reported to the ASC depot at Grove Park. He had initially indicated a preference to serve in the Forage Department of the ASC (over the course of the war, the weight of forage shipped to France actually slightly exceeded that of munitions), in keeping with his civilian employment, but he was actually brought in as a mechanical transport learner. By this time the army was increasingly shifting to the power of the internal combustion engine, rather than the horse. Few details are readable from the form, he appear to have been 5’8.75″ tall, but his weight and other physical details cannot be made out. No details of his postings survive on the form. ServiceRecord
On 28 November 1918 Death John Webb died of double pneumonia at Ashford, Kent on 28 November 1918. This followed (Spanish) flu. He was then serving with Q Motor Transport Company, ASC. He had risen to the rank of Company Serjeant Major. The death was registered in West Ashford Registration District, Kent. He was buried at Benhilton on 4 December 1918, as close to the tower as could be managed. The bells were rung before and after the service by ringers from Carshalton, Mitcham, Beddington and Benhilton, and a course of Grandsire Triples was rung over the grave on handbells. On 9 December was a half-muffled touch of Plain Bob Minor, with the seventh and eighth rung behind, the eighth rung by W Hodges, who is also listed on the original roll as a Benhilton ringer. The Soldiers’ Effects Registers show that his widow received £20 16s 2d (including a war gratuity of £18 10s). FreeBMD13; CWGC; RW17; Effects

Sources

FreeBMD

  1. FreeBMD1: Marriages Mar 1871 – Webb John
  2. FreeBMD2: Marriages Mar 1871 – Lusher Susan
  3. FreeBMD3: Births Mar 1872 – Webb William Sharman
  4. FreeBMD4: Deaths Dec 1872 – Webb William Sharman
  5. FreeBMD5: Births Mar 1874 – Webb Elizabeth Mary
  6. FreeBMD6: Births Dec 1876 – Webb Thomas Sharman
  7. FreeBMD7: Births Sep 1883 – Webb John
  8. FreeBMD8: Births Dec 1883 – Webb John
  9. FreeBMD9: Marriages Sep 1900 – Webb Elizabeth Mary
  10. FreeBMD10: Marriages Sep 1900 – Thurley William Thomas
  11. FreeBMD11: Marriages Jun 1914 – Webb John
  12. FreeBMD12: Marriages Jun 1914 – Bullen Eliza Jane
  13. FreeBMD13: Deaths Dec 1918 – Webb John

London parish registers

  1. LondonParish1: Marriage of John Webb and Susan Lusher (subscription required) London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Leonard, Streatham, Register of marriages, P95/LEN, Item 073.
  2. LondonParish2: Baptism of William Sharman Webb (subscription required) London Metropolitan Archives, Balham St Mary, Register of Baptism, p95/mry3, Item 001.
  3. LondonParish3: Burial of William Sharman Webb (subscription required) London Metropolitan Archives, Norwood Cemetery, Norwood Road, Lambeth, Bishop’s Transcript of Burials, 1872, DW/T Item, 0933; Call Number: DW/T/0933.
  4. LondonParish4: Baptism of Elizabeth Mary Webb (subscription required) London Metropolitan Archives, Balham St Mary, Register of Baptism, p95/mry3, Item 001.
  5. LondonParish5: Baptism of Thomas Sharman Webb (subscription required) London Metropolitan Archives, Balham St Mary, Register of Baptism, p95/mry3, Item 001.

Surrey parish registers

  1. SurreyParish1: Marriage of John Webb and Jane Eliza Bullen, 18 April 1914, St Matthew, Surbiton. 6262/1/14 (subscription required).

Censuses

  1. Census1871: RG 10/718; Enumeration District: 3; Folio: 51; Page: 21; Schedule 113 – Webb household, 6 Albert Terrace, Kate Street, Balham. (subscription required)
  2. Census1881: RG 11/664; Enumeration District: 3; Folio: 56; Page: 9; Schedule 43 – Webb household, 16 Kate Street, Balham. (subscription required)
  3. Census1891: RG 12/544; Folio: 53; Page: 5; Schedule: 640 – Webb household, 2 Elm Grove Cottages, Sutton. (subscription required)
  4. Census1901: RG 13/580 Folio 95 Page 8 Schedule Number 61 – Webb household, 2 Ingleside Villas, Brandon Road, Sutton.
  5. Census1901-2: RG 13/698 Folio 12 Page 15 Schedule Number 100 – Thurley household, 2 East Terrace, Crayford Road, Erith, Kent.
  6. Census1901-3: RG 13/1274 Folio 85 Page 48 Schedule Number 245 – Dudley household, 34 Hanby Terrace, Enfield Lock, Hertfordshire.
  7. Census1911: RG 14/2933 and RG 78/101 Registration District 31 Subdistrict 1 Enumeration District 11 Schedule Number 66 – Webb household, 2 Ingleside Villas, Brandon Road, Sutton.
  8. Census1911-2: RG 14/2924 and RG 78/101 Registration District 31 Subdistrict 1 Enumeration District 2 Schedule Number 104 – Colegate household, Earlywood, Albion Road, Carshalton.

Bell News

  1. BN1: Volume 11, Issue 567 (18 February 1893), p559
  2. BN2: Volume 22, Issue 1132 (19 December 1903), p465
  3. BN3: Volume 23, Issue 1169 (3 September 1904), p308
  4. BN4: Volume 23, Issue 1194 (18 February 1905), p595
  5. BN5: Volume 24, Issue 1246 (17 February 1906), p597
  6. BN6: Volume 26, Issue 1317 (29 June 1907), p176
  7. BN7: Volume 27, Issue 1402 (13 February 1909), p596
  8. BN8: Volume 28, Issue 1405 (6 March 1909), p32
  9. BN9: Volume 28, Issue 1443 (27 November 1909), p488
  10. BN10: Volume 28, Issue 1450 (15 January 1910), p573
  11. BN11: Volume 29, Issue 1475 (9 July 1910), p268
  12. BN12: Volume 29, Issue 1496 (3 December 1910), p525
  13. BN13: Volume 31, Issue 1563 (16 March 1912), p7
  14. BN14: Volume 31, Issue 1600 (30 November 1912), p504
  15. BN15: Volume 32, Issue 1649 (8 November 1913), p428
  16. BN16: Volume 32, Issue 1651 (22 November 1913), p449
  17. BN17: Volume 32, Issue 1654 (13 December 1913), p488
  18. BN18: Volume 33, Issue 1670 (4 April 1914), p60 (numbered 48)
  19. BN19: Volume 33, Issue 1672 (18 April 1914), p73
  20. BN20: Volume 33, Issue 1679 (6 June 1914), p165
  21. BN21: Volume 34, Issue 1753 (6 November 1915), p78
  22. BN22: Volume 20, Issue 1043 (5 April 1902), p578

The Ringing World

  1. RW1: 26 May 1911, p162
  2. RW2: 2 June 1911, p178
  3. RW3: 15 March 1912, p175
  4. RW4: 29 March 1912, p217
  5. RW5: 17 May 1912, p343
  6. RW6: 29 November 1912, p364 (p820 of pdf)
  7. RW7: 28 March 1913, p218-219
  8. RW8: 11 July 1913, p35 (p479 of pdf)
  9. RW9: 7 November 1913 p303 (p747 of pdf)
  10. RW10: 5 December 1913 p369 (p813 of pdf)
  11. RW11: 16 January 1914, p39
  12. RW12: 24 April 1914, p277
  13. RW13: 11 December 1914, p310 (p746 of pdf)
  14. RW14: 18 December 1914, p322 (p758 of pdf)
  15. RW15: 3 December 1915 p260 (600)
  16. RW16: 3 December 1915 p263 (603)
  17. RW17: 20 December 1918 p406

Military records

  1. CWGC: Casualty details – Webb, John His cause of death is shown in the original cemetery registers as pneumonia – probably following Spanish flu (via Alan Seymour).
  2. ServiceRecord: Webb, John (subscription required) British Army service records.
  3. Soldiers’ Effects Registers: National Army Museum; Chelsea, London, England; Soldiers’ Effects Records, 1901-60; NAM Accession Number: 1991-02-333; Record Number Ranges: 839501-841000; Reference: 511 p154, John Webb

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